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Nate Owens's avatar

I once heard someone saying “the second most dangerous thing you can do is try to measure spiritual growth. the most dangerous is to not measure spiritual growth”

I think the method you outlined is super helpful and seems to be based around relationships which is a big plus. Measuring discipleship is complex and sticky, but it’s also necessary, so props to you for working towards that.

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Murphy Alvis's avatar

I really appreciate your attempt here to outline something practical. One of the issues I find in trying to measure spiritual growth among people is that it’s not linear. Growth almost has an inversion point where it looks like de growth when there’s actually a cooling of things that are unhealthy or unhelpful for the spiritual journey. I wonder how you would quantify things like the midlife passage/the dark night of the soul/the wall/seasons of disorientation in terms of maturity?

I can imagine what is challenging about these experiences is that they are almost impossible to pinpoint outside of relational intimacy. And that may be part of the problem: community is very hard to scale organizationally, and community is also the context of formation.

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